Wednesday, May 30, 2007

Did Somebody Say "Separation"?

My wife did, after a discussion of the job offers late yesterday evening. Well, it was more of her venting her anxieties and grievances. I tried to listen to what she was saying and acknowledge of her feelings without getting defensive, hostile. I certainly wasn't going to cave in to her pressure.

She said she had been hoping the Online Payment Subsidary offer would have been a lowball offer so that she "wouldn't have to play the bad guy."

She started crying.

She first said that she feared for our marriage if I took the payment subsidiary offer over the startup on the north side.

She said she wanted me to take the north side startup, and she thought I had my heart set on the online payment job.

She then said that if I took the payment subsidiary offer, she and the girls would stay behind.

She then said that she didn't see how me coming home every few weeks would be any different from being divorced.

She said that I wanted the payment subsidiary job because "they had stroked my ego."

She restated her position that I was just an unhappy person, that I could probably benefit from medication, and that there were others who thought so, too.

When I asked her who else thought this, she said her best friend and her husband, and she said her other best friend, who is a child psychologist, probably would say so, too.

I asked her whether she could see how I would be unhappy. She then asked me to explain why I was unhappy. I said that I felt like I had to get up early, go to a job with an uncertain future, work a long day, come home to do not much of anything except for chores. And that I felt like I was unable to do anything outside the home because all of our money is overspent. I worried that if I took the startup position, we'd probably have more of the same.

She then turned very tearful and bitter.

She told me that if that was the way I felt, she didn't need my money. She'd go out and find a job of her own, maybe two. She said she was a strong person and a good mother and would go on welfare if she had to.

She then said, "You need to decide whether to separate, because I'm through."

In an earlier time in my relationship with her, this would have been more than enough for me to back down. Tears, guilt, termination -- the unholy trinity of manipulation. Now I just see it as emotional abuse. She has assumes no stake in the success or health of the relationship. I am the problem.

The words of Murray Bowen remind me that this is exactly where I need to be:
When someone attempts to be more of a self in a relationship system, the absolutely predictable response from important others is, "You are wrong; change back; if you don't, these are the consequences!" In fact, if such responses do not occur, one's effort to define more of a self are probably inconsequential.

I have not invested this time and effort to be "inconsequential".

14 comments:

Cat said...

I wish I had something intelligent and helpful to add but of course I don't. There just seems to be so much riding on whether you take this job. And if you don't and you take the job she wants you to take is everything supposed to be ok then? She won't want to separate anymore? It just seems odd to base her marriage on where you work or live. Yes moving is an inconvenience but is it a marriage deal breaker? It shouldn't be at least in my opinion.

LBP said...

Wow. You don't deserve that 2am. Not at all.

Anais said...

I'm proud of you.

Chaos Control said...

This is about so much more than just the job. Based on what I've been reading here for some time now, your wife is not open to change of any kind, even though your relationship is in need of it and it just may be the best thing for the family.

I'm so sad for you, yet happy at the same time, strangly. Sad because of all of the torment you're going through. Sad for what a separation (if it comes to that) might mean for the kids. But happy at the same time for what your future can hold in terms of a fantastic job and, if you end up down the road of divorce, your potential to find a strong, healthy, passionate relationship. We all deserve that, don't we?

tom allen said...

I felt like I had to get up early, go to a job with an uncertain future, work a long day, come home to do not much of anything except for chores.

Let me just toss this out:
If you were getting laid regularly, and/or had a better relationship with your wife, how much would that influence your job decision?

2amsomewhere said...

If you were getting laid regularly, and/or had a better relationship with your wife, how much would that influence your job decision?

It would certainly make me feel more tethered to this area and willing to stay. Right now, I feel no real emotional investment in staying with her, only a need to make sure that whatever happens harms the children as little as possible.

Under the circumstances you describe, I'd be willing to chance the local startup, but if that went belly up, relocation would definitely be a must. Think about how long it took for me to land that position, and you'd realize how dead the market is here.

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2amsomewhere

the Drunken Housewife said...

I was thinking along the same lines as Tom. You have a job that is going nowhere at a company which is troubled, to say the least. You are married to a woman who admits she finds touching your genitals to be disgusting and who is not willing to work on the marriage in counseling. Your finances are fucked, to say the least. And you're unreasonable for being unhappy in that situation? Any reasonable person in that life would be happy?

You have my kudos for being willing to work to fix your life.

Cat said...

After Tom's question and your answer I am compelled to ask if this job is just the vehicle? The means you need to end a relationship that is not working and that you are no longer emotionally attached to?

2amsomewhere said...

Cat poses a good question:

After Tom's question and your answer I am compelled to ask if this job is just the vehicle? The means you need to end a relationship that is not working and that you are no longer emotionally attached to?

No. I don't think it would be fair to the remote employer if I was treating it that way, either. They have already gone to great expense to fly me out for an interview and offer me a preview trip.

I truly believe that they offer a sterling compensation and benefits package. The people I would be working with clicked really well with me. I would be widening my skills, and it would reflect so on my resume.

It's pretty much a golden opportunity to someone in a profession where if you don't keep your skills sharpened, you'll be harder to hire once you hit your 40s.

If there was a stronger bond with my wife, I'd be willing to say, "OK, let's try one more job in this area and see if it works. I'll take that risk for you. If it doesn't, at least I tried, and maybe that's a sign that we need to move somewhere else."

The relationship with her as is is so strained that I don't have any more ground to give without welling up a weapons grade sample of resentment. I can only sacrifice unilaterally so many times.

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2amsomewhere

some poems don't rhyme said...

adding to cat's latest comment...

i'm also curious if the job is the vehicle. i can see why it's bothersome to you that your wife says things such as "you'll never be happy" but i wonder if there is some truth to it... you'll never be happy... with her. maybe you know this. maybe she knows this. and i'm sure it works the other way around as well.

i'm wondering if the job decision and even this most recent post is a way for you to build a case for leaving.

i'm wondering if it is easier to end the marriage on principle or because your wife is opposed to changing or because she is replused by touching you... rather than simply because it is you who no longer wants to be with her.

just wondering.

Have the T-Shirt said...

Your wife's responses and reactions never cease to amaze me. I'd sure like to hear her side of this story, you know, girlfriend to girlfriend, cause I can't imagine how she justifies her position.

I say let her get two jobs, but she is utterly delusional if she thinks being a single parent is easy. She cannot be thinking clearly on any of this. I think she's just trying her best to manipulate you into doing what she wants.

Glad you're not falling for that :)

Cat said...

Here here to the last comment...Being single is not easy at all. But it has been obvious to me for quite some time that the wife is delusional. To me expecting 2am to continue to stick it out without intimacy is the biggest delusion.

BTW I hear what you are saying 2am. The opportunity is just there with this job offer. You see potential in a job market and a field where you haven't seen a lot of opportunities lately. I can certainly understand the appeal.

Sassy said...

Am I the only one who thinks it is bizarre that she mentions that 2 best friends (one being a psychologist) and a husband all think you need medicating? Good on you 2am for remaining unruffled during her little performance.

I don't see you using the new job as a vehicle. I'm amazed you've hung in this long.

sixdegrees said...

So the time for a decision is at hand. It is strikingly clear that your considerable investment into this marriage is not providing a return - except for one (see below). I'll add my voice to the chorus of support for you to take the job offer that is best for you and not cave in to the manipulations of your wife. In fact, even if you do decide to take the local north-side startup, I suggest that you consider ending the marriage. While the issues of your career and your marriage have become intertwined largely because of your wife's position, you can, in fact, make separate decisions on each. Make the best decision w/r/t your career and, separately, make the best decision w/r/t your marriage.

The one benefit that you seem to obtain from the marriage is the interactions with your children. In your "demon" post, you wrote "How could I leave behind the two little girls who jump for joy the minute I walk through the door after work, beckoning me to pick them up and hold them? Surely they deserve better than that."

I think that the issue w/r/t your children is not "make sure that whatever happens harms the children as little as possible", as per your response to Tom. Rather, I think the issue is how can you remain fully engaged in your children's life even while you make the best decisions w/r/t your career and your adult relationship.

An underlying assumption seems to be that when you and your wife divorce that she will get full custody of the children and spousal support. I think you could make a strong case for shared custody, if that is what you would like. In fact, there is good research in support of the notion that children of divorced parents fare best when both parents remain engaged in their children's lives. I think you should talk to a good divorce lawyer.